rns.recipes

hi all,

maker of STRUDEL and operator of rns.reticulum.at here. i just went through the whole thread.

the „public pages are public” line on my about page was a bit smug in hindsight. i still believe there should be a way to discover pages without clicking through every announce manually (as that was my motivation to build the search in the first place) but i can see how the framing comes across. as for scraping policies: as already mentioned earlier i set up very relaxed scrape policies with around once per day, cooloff and only selective drilldown. i don‘t mean to burden the network or annoy anyone with my little tool.
as for the opt-out: nomadnet pages are essentially clearnet so an opt-out will always be a goodwill option and the next guy might again ignore it. that said, i get the argument about bandwith. what do you guys think of a bandwith-gray-out option? scraper only comes back weekly or monthly?
if that's still a no i will implement an opt-out but i hope you can see that that's a futile approach to the overall problem.

rudi: you’re right about the german on reticulum.at, i got the dns and wanted to put up a quick page not thinking it would draw traffic so quickly. on a side note: i set it up primarily to give local enthusiasts a lead in how to meet other interested people and that goal was fully achieved. we are a small but growing little group that start experimenting with reticulum.

and regarding the „one man show”, that’s accurate regarding the two sites. but we are already a small group in vienna, lower austria and especially some super cracked folks in innsbruck.
i experiment and play around with a technology i find fascinating and so are all the others. i don’t claim to speak for anyone else building in austria but as a network is only valuable with nodes, that is what i am trying to generate more of.

happy for feedback and comments and a big thank you to mark and everybody else who has been building this incredible technology and community. i hope we find ways to make reticulum a success without gate-keeping.

lxmf welcome if you’d rather write directly.

all the best,
axhoff

disclaimer: STRUDEL was called „🔵🔴🟡🟢 ROOGLE Search“ for about two weeks until the owner of roogle.us contacted me and stated he‘s been active since april so i renamed. oversight on my part. i have never been associated with roogle.us or any of its aggressive scraping behavior.

Anonymous wrote:

hey mark how about you just get better at designing to be resilient to bad actors, or admit that one guy can’t do everything and get better at working with others/running this thing like a real grown-up software project instead of a megalomaniacal fever dream

makes a network for everyone
gets mad when everyone starts using it

This is not a resiliency issue, dumbass. It's about the unfair usage of people's resources they have put into the network. You have limits on LoRa usage, electricity and ISP costs, hardware maintenance, and so on.

Rudi Mentaire wrote:

What I want to say is: now that reticulum gets more known, and a lot
of new people are attracted (which is not a bad thing) - it could have
a good impact to guide them more.
…
An example: having a guide like "this is reticulum/nomadnet, your
first steps, what you can expect here and what not" would be very
helpful and could also prevent undesired developments. At least, this
is something I missed, sometimes I felt a bit lost. People must know
how they can do better, else they will fall back to what they used to
do in "the Internet".
…
So I think this is my main point (apart from avoiding negative bias
because dumb people are causing so much harm): a welcome page that
gets people started, that is updated regularly, and guides people that
don't want to cause harm but just lack knowledge at the moment.

Does that make sense? I could offer my help - although I'm a newcomer
(and I also don't have too much energy left all the time). Mark
should probably not get an additional task...

Thanks for the idea, Rudi, I completely agree! I've started on a draft for a wiki page:
https://reticulum.miraheze.org/wiki/Draft:What_is_Reticulum

If you or anyone else* have any thoughts or additions/edits, feel free to comment on the Talk page. I'd be more than happy to collaborate with others in writing this up, the more perspectives the better. I guess it should go on to describe NomadNet and what to expect there.

*) Especially Mark, if you see something that's not right.

Well most of you probably won't care. But I started talking to roogle on ways to be way less intrusive and malicious. His scrap times were supposedly every four hours... And he recently said he has stopped scraping to work on limiting how much it scrapped. Take it with a grain of salt if you want. That's just what he told me recently.